2002 Kia Rio Cinco

APPROXIMATELY 1.5 YEARS AGO I WAS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE CAR HESITATING ON THE HIGHWAY AND THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT COMING ON. I BROUGHT MY CAR TO THE KIA DEALERSHIP (HAMILTON, ON) FOR DIAGNOSIS AND THEY DIAGNOSED THE PROBLEM AS BEING THE MASS AIRFLOW SENSOR. I HAD THEM REPLACE THE SENSOR (250$CAD) AND DO A 300$ TUNE UP ON THE CAR. TWO DAYS LATER THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME BACK ON AND I BROUGHT IN BACK TO THE DEALER. BY THE TIME I HAD THE CAR AT THE DEALER THE LIGHT HAD GONE OFF AND THEY SAID TO BRING IT BACK WHEN IT WAS ON. FINALLY AFTER A NUMBER OF VISITS THEY DETERMINED THAT THE ECM NEEDED A FLASH. THEY FLASHED THE ECM AND THE CAR SEEMED FINE. APPROX 3 WEEKS AGO THE CAR STARTED HESITATING AGAIN AND I BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE DEALER. THEY FOUND A BULLETIN FROM KIA THAT STATED A PROBLEM WITH CERTAIN KIA'S (WHICH MINE FELL UNDER) WHERE THE ECM WOULD INCORRECTLY INTERPRET RESULTS FROM THE MASS AIRFLOW SENSOR AND TURN ON THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT. THEY DIAGNOSED THE PROBLEM AS BEING THE ECM AND REPLACED IT, BUT THE PROBLEM REMAINED. THEY FINALLY FOUND THAT THE PROBLEM WAS THE REAR CATALYTIC CONVERTER. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE INCORRECT READING FROM THE ECM WOULD HAVE MADE THE CAR SEND UNSPENT FUEL THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND INTO THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEREBY CAUSING THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER TO FAIL.

PURCHASED A 2002 KIA RIO CINCO ON NOVEMBER 30, 2004. AFTER THREE WEEKS IT BEGAN TO EXPERIENCE A LOSS OF ACCELERATION WHILE DRIVING THE VEHICLE. MAROONE KIA PELPACED A NUMBER OF THE BRAKE COMPONENTS ADFTER DECIDING THAT THE BRAKES WERE LOCKING UP. THE DAY AFTER GETTING IT BACK THE SAME THING HAPPENED AGAIN. THIS TIME THEY SAY THAT IT MUST BE THE TRANSMISSION, BUT SINCE IT IDS INTERMITTEN THEY CANNOT FIX IT. THEIR ADVICE WAS TO DRIVE IT UNTIL IT "TEARS UP" AND THEN THEY CAN FIX IT. MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW USES THE VEHICLE TO TRANSPORT HER 3 MONTH OLD CHILD AND TO GET TO WORK. THE VEHICLE ABRUPTLY SLOWING FROM HIGHWAY SPEEDS TO 25 MILES AN HOUR, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AFTER STOPPING IS A SAFETY HAZARD. *AK

VEHICLE REPEATED STALLS IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC WHILE DRIVING, TOOK IT TO DEALER THE REPLACED HARNESS. DURING A SUDDEN STOP VEHICLES CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON, TOOK IT TO DEALER CANNOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. ONCE AGAIN CAR SHUTS OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD HAD THE CAR TOWED SPENT 24 HRS WITH DEALER, DEALER CANNOT FIND OUT THE PROBLEM DIAGNOSTIC TEST RUN AND CANNOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH CAR. TOOK THE CAR HOME TODAY, DEC 1, CAR SHUTS OFF AGAIN AND WILL NOT START. CAR RUNS LIKE IT WANTS TO SHUT OFF

WHILE DRIVING, THE CONSUMER LOST CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE. WHEN THE DRIVER TRIED CORRECT THE VEHICLE AND COME BACK ONTO THE HIGHWAY , THE VEHICLE ALMOST CRASHED INTO THE CONCRETE BARRIER. TO AVOID CRASHING INTO THE BARRIER THE DRIVER MADE A HARD TURN AND OVER CORRECTED. THIS RESULTED IN THE VEHICLE GOING OFF THE EDGE OF THE BLACK TOP INTO THE BOTTOM OF A DITCH AND ROLLED OVER 3 TIMES. UPON IMPACT NONE OF THE FRONTAL AIR BAGS DEPLOYED. THE ROOF CAVED IN ABOUT A FOOT ON THE PASSENGER SIDE. THE DRIVER SUSTAINED BRUISES TO HIS LEFT LEG, NECK PAIN AND SLIGHT BLURRED VISION. THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAS TOTALED THE VEHICLE. *JB

THIS VEHICLE HAS A HAZARDOUS STALLING PROBLEM THAT SURFACED WHEN THE MILEAGE WAS BETWEEN 49,986 AND 52,281. THE PROBLEM PROGRESSED FROM INTERMITTENT TO CHRONIC. THE VEHICLE STALLS AFTER STOPPING AT STOPLIGHTS OR STOP SIGNS OR UPON RESUMING DRIVING FROM A STOPPED POSITION (STALLING HAS OCCURRED WHILE MAKING A LEFT TURN AT A BUSY INTERSECTION). THE PROBLEM BECAME CHRONIC WHEN THE MILEAGE WAS BETWEEN 73,241 AND 74,727. THIS IS WHEN THE VEHICLE COULD NOT BE DRIVEN MORE THAN 20 MILES WITHOUT STALLING. THE PROBLEM WAS MORE PRONOUNCED IF ANY PART OF THOSE 20 MILES WAS HIGHWAY DRIVING AT SPEEDS GREATER THAN 45 MPH. THE CAR WILL USUALLY RESTART IMMEDIATELY AFTER STALLING. OCCASIONALLY UPON RESTARTING, IT WILL STALL AGAIN. USUALLY AFTER SEVERAL ATTEMPTS IT WILL CONTINUE RUNNING. UNFORTUNATELY, THE STALLING PROBLEM COULD ONLY BE ADDRESSED BY THE KIA DEALERS SERVICE DEPARTMENT IF IT COULD BE REPEATED BY THE TECHNICIAN OR IF IT OCCURRED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT OR IF ERROR CODES WERE STORED. THE FIRST TIME THE VEHICLE (MILEAGE 52,281) WAS BROUGHT IN FOR THE STALLING PROBLEM THE TECHNICIAN WAS ABLE TO REPRODUCE THE PROBLEM. AT THIS TIME, THE ECM WAS REPLACED. THE SECOND TIME THE VEHICLE (MILEAGE 55,966) WAS BROUGHT IN FOR THIS PROBLEM ERROR CODES INDICATED A PROBLEM WITH THE MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR WHICH WAS THEN REPLACED. THE VEHICLE (MILEAGE 64,287) WAS BROUGHT IN FOR THE RECALL THAT SUPPOSEDLY ADDRESSED THIS PROBLEM. THE VEHICLE CONTINUED TO STALL INTERMITTENTLY. SINCE THAT TIME, THE MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR HAS BEEN REPLACED AGAIN (MILEAGE 72,416), THE ECM HAS BEEN REPLACED AGAIN (MILEAGE 73,241), AND THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER HAS BEEN REPLACED (MILEAGE 74,727). THE VEHICLE (MILEAGE 75,135) CONTINUES TO STALL REGULARLY. THE NEXT REPAIR RECOMMENDED BY THE KIA DEALERS SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS TO REPLACE THE WIRING HARNESS.*AK

VEHICLES STALLS AFTER MOVING FROM A STOPPED POSITION. VEHICLE HAS BEEN RECALLED FOR THE PROBLEM AND THE PROBLEM IS STILL OCCURRING. CAR HAS BEEN OWNED FOR A YEAR AND HAS BEEN SERVICED TOO MANY TIMES FOR THE SAME PROBLEM. PROBLEM HAS OCCURRED SINCE THE RECALL AS IF IT WERE NEVER FIXED. DEALER WANTS TO EXCHANGE THE CAR AT MY EXPENSE FOR THE PROBLEM. HOW IS THIS FAIR???? THEN THE CAR WILL BE PUT BACK ON THE MARKET FOR SOME OTHER SUCKER TO PURCHASE. SOME THING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND FOR THE BEST INTEREST IT SHOULD NOT BE DRIVEN, WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS WHILE ON THE HIGHWAY OR SOMEONE DOESN'T STOP IN TIME AND REAR-ENDS THE VEHICLE.......WHOSE FAULT WOULD IT BE?????*AK *TR