2005 Honda Odyssey

TL*- THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT WAS EXPERIENCING STEERING PROBLEMS RELATED TO RECALL #05V039000. WHILE DRIVING 50 MPH THE CONTACT LOST CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE AND CRASHED INTO A DITCH. WHILE ATTEMPTING TO GAIN CONTROL OF THE STEERING THE VEHICLE MOVED FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT. THE CONTACT CALLED THE POLICE, AND WAS NOT GIVEN A POLICE REPORT. THE MECHANIC REPLACED THE TIRES, AND STATED THAT THE FAILURE WAS DUE TO THE TIRES. THE CONTACT ADVISED THE MECHANIC OF THE STEERING RECALL ,AND HE DENIED THAT IT WAS RELATED. NONE OF THE AIR BAGS IN THE VEHICLE DEPLOYED AT THE TIME OF THE COLLISION. RECALL #05V344000 WAS RELATED TO THE AIR BAGS: FRONTAL:SENSOR/CONTROL MODULE. THE DRIVERS SIDE DOOR WAS DIFFICULT TO CLOSE UNLESS PRESSURE WAS APPLIED. THE WEATHER WAS NOT A FACTOR. THE CURRENT AND FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 36,200. *AK

WE OWN A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY EQUIPPED WITH THE MICHELIN PAX TIRE SYSTEM. WE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING TO THE DEALER'S SERVICE DEPT. ABOUT THE ODD WEAR (EDGES WORN OUT WHILE THE CENTER OF THE TREAD LOOKS FINE, AND SO FAR THEY HAVE CHARGED US FOR AN ALIGNMENT (THEY SAID THEY COULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER CHECKING INTO IT UNTIL WE PAID FOR THIS, AND THEN LATER TOLD US THIS WAS A COMMON COMPLAINT WITH THE PAX SYSTEM TIRES, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE A FEW BUCKS OFF OF US, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER MATTER). THE VEHICLE HAS TPMS, SO WE KNOW TIRE PRESSURE IS NOT A FACTOR (AT LEAST IF FOLLOWING HONDA'S RECOMMENDATIONS IS ASSUMED TO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE WEAR). WE DO NOT DRIVE THE VEHICLE AGGRESSIVELY (IT IS A MINIVAN, AND CARRIES OUR 2 YOUNG CHILDREN, WITH MY WIFE BEING THE PRIMARY DRIVER, SO THE ODDS OF ANYONE WITH THIS COMPLAINT ON THE ODYSSEY ARE THAT THEY DRIVE VERY CONSERVATIVELY). THE DEALER HAS TOLD US FOR APPROX 10000 MILES (HALF THE TOTAL MILEAGE DRIVEN TO THIS POINT) THAT THE WEAR IS NOT ABNORMAL, BUT NOW WE CAN NOT LONGER DRIVE THE VAN IN INCLEMENT WEATHER SINCE THE LAST 1/5 OF BOTH SIDES OF THE TIRES HAVE WORN TO THE POINT OF NOT HAVING ANY WATER SIPES LEFT TO PREVENT HYDROPLANING IN RAINY CONDITIONS. THE DEALERS SERVICE DEPT HAS REVEALED THAT THEY HAVE HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THESE TIRES, BUT MICHELIN IN THEIR TYPICALLY "HOLIER THAN THOUGH" MANNER OF NEVER MAKING A BAD PRODUCT (THIS WORDS FROM THE DEALER REP) HAS STONE WALLED ATTEMPTS AT GETTING THEM TO ADMIT FAULT WITH THE DESIGN OR MANUFACTURE OF THE PRODUCT. FURTHERMORE, THEY HAVE A MONOPOLY ON THE PRODUCT'S REPLACEMENT, LEAVING CUSTOMERS NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY A KING'S RANSOM FOR ANOTHER SET OF THESE TIRES WE DO NOT WANT. WE ARE FILING A COMPLAINT, AND SEEKING ANY INFO ON JOINING A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST MICHELIN AND HONDA OF AMERICA FOR SELLING A PATENTLY DANGEROUS PRODUCT TO A CONSUMER GROUP WHO PURCHASED A PRODUCT WITH SAFETY BEING A MAJOR FACTOR IN THE PURCHASE DECISION. *NM

I OWN A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY TOURING WITH MICHELIN PAX RUN FLAT TIRES. I WAS RECENTLY INFORMED BY HONDA SERVICE THAT MY TIRES NEEDED TO BE REPLACED (WERE WORN TO 4/32NDS) AT ONLY 17K MILES AND AT A COST OF $300+ PER TIRE. ADDITIONALLY, EVEN TO PATCH THE TIRE WITH A SMALL NAIL PUNCTURE WOULD COST $90+. I FEEL THAT THE PREMATURE WEAR ON THESE TIRES IS A DEFECT AND THE OWNERS OF THIS VEHICLE ARE BEING FACED WITH FREQUENT AND COSTLY REPLACEMENT OF THESE DEFECTIVE TIRES AND/OR SAFETY ISSUES WITH WORN TIRES. *JB

TL* - THE CONTACT HAS A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY ES. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHEN HE PULLS THE SEAT BELT DOWN ON THE DRIVERS SEAT TO PUT IN ON IT GETS CAUGHT BETWEEN THE DOOR PILLAR AND SEAT. IT IS WEARING THE MATERIAL OF THE SEAT, AND THE CONTACT IS CONCERNED THAT THIS WILL EITHER RUIN OR BLOW OUT THE AIR BAG IN THE DRIVERS SEAT. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM. THE CURRENT AND FAILURE MILEAGE WERE BOTH 10740. THE CONSUMER HAS FOUND HELP. UPDATED 03/15/07. *JB

NOTICED AN OSCILLATION (SHIMMY) AT 40+ MPH AROUND 7K MILES THAT PROGRESSIVELY WORSENED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. AFTER 4 VISITS TO THE DEALER WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, WHICH INCLUDED 2 ALIGNMENTS, 2 ROAD FORCE BALANCING AND TIRE ROTATIONS, THE SHIMMY STILL PERSISTS AT 24K MILES. DEALER CANNOT FIX. WILL CONTACT HONDA DIRECTLY. *NM

PREMATURE TIRE WEAR. HONDA ODYSSEY TOURING HAS MICHELIN PAX TIRE SYSTEM DESIGNATED AS A HIGH-END PREMIUM FEATURE SAFETY SYSTEM. THESE TIRES WEAR OUT IN 23000 MILES, WHICH IS WELL BELOW STANDARD TIRES OFFERED ON OTHER HONDA ODYSSEY PACKAGES. IN ADDITION, THE PAX SYSTEM IS A PROPRIETARY DESIGN OFFERED ONLY BY ONE TIRE MANUFACTURER, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH STANDARD WHEELS, AND REQUIRES DEALER/TIRE SERVICE GARAGES TO HAVE UNIQUE EXPENSIVE MOUNTING EQUIPMENT. FEW TIRE DEALERS SUPPORT PAX. EXAMPLE: ONLY ONE DEALER IN SAN DIEGO SUPPORTS PAX. FOR TRAVELERS ON THE ROAD WHO EXPERIENCE A FAILURE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE TO LOCATE A NEAR BY REPLACEMENT. THE ODYSSEY TOURING DOES NOT COME WITH A SPARE TIRE, SO THE MAX RUN-FLAT DISTANCE OF 100 MI MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO REACH TIRE STORE. THE HONDA SALES REPRESENTATIVES DO NOT OFFER ANY OF THIS INFORMATION TO PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMERS AT THE TIME OF SALE. THE HONDA ODYSSEY TOUR MODEL CAN NOT BE RETROFITTED WITH STANDARD TIRES DUE TO VEHICLE'S COMPUTER SYSTEM SETTINGS. *NM