2003 Land Rover Discovery Ii

I WAS DRIVING MY '03 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY II HOME FROM WORK AND IT SUDDENLY DIED. IT RESTARTED ABOUT AN HOUR LATER SO I DROVE IT TO THE AUTO SHOP. THEY, AFTER TALKING WITH LAND ROVER DIRECTLY, SAID THE ENGINE WASN'T GETTING ENOUGH OIL AND WE WOULD NEED A NEW ENGINE!!! WE GET OUR LAND ROVER SERVICED VERY REGULARLY SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES LIKE THIS ESPECIALLY FOR AN '03 WITH 70,000 MILES. WITH THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS, THIS IS RIDICULOUS! NOW THEY'RE TELLING US WE HAVE TO PAY $5,000 FOR A USED ENGINE WITH 40,000 MILES. I NOTICED A TON OF OTHER PEOPLE HAD THIS SAME PROBLEM WITH THE OIL PUMP FROM THE '03 LAND ROVERS. HELP!!! *TR

LAND ROVER NEEDS TO RECALL ALL AFFECTED DISCOVERY VEHICLES WITH OIL PUMP PROBLEMS. I HAVE HAD A TICKING NOISE COMING FROM THE ENGINE WHICH MY MECHANIC SAYS IS CAUSED FORM LACK OF OIL. AFTER RESEARCHING THE PROBLEM, I HAVE FOUND SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED DUE TO A PRODUCTION ERROR. AND THE ONLY FIX IS REPLACING THE ENTIRE ENGINE? I'M AMAZED THIS PROBLEM HAS NOT GOTTEN MORE ATTENTION! *TR

WE HAVE A 2003 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY W/ 47K MILES ON IT. ON FRIDAY NIGHT, AUGUST 15TH 2008, WE STARTED TO DRIVE DOWN OUR STREET WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ENGINE SOUNDED LIKE A DIESEL TRUCK. IT WAS HORRIBLE. WE ALSO HAD A RED OIL LIGHT. THE CAR FELT SLUGGISH, SOUNDED HORRIBLE & HAD AN OIL LIGHT ON SO WE TURNED AROUND AND PARKED THE LAND ROVER BEFORE THE ENGINE SEIZED UP. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT COULD BE & DETERMINED THAT OUR OIL PUMP HAS FAILED. I AM UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A TECHNICAL DEFECT THAT WAS ISSUED ON MARCH 14, 2003, BUT NO RECALL. THIS IS QUITE DISTURBING SINCE THE MANUFACTURING IS ADMITTING TO FAULT, BUT IS NOT SETTING UP A RECALL FOR THIS ITEM. WITH THE PRICES OF GAS, FOOD, UTILITIES AND THE GENERAL STATE OF OUR ECONOMY, I DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO FIX THIS RIG AT THIS TIME. I AM HOPING THAT THE DEALERSHIP WILL FIX THIS ISSUE SINCE IT IS A MANUFACTURER'S (SELF ADMITTED) DEFECT. WE TRIED CALLING THE DEALER ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 16TH 2008 BUT THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS CLOSED. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN FOR HELP BUT TO THE DEALER. AND, FROM READING OTHER FORUM POSTS FROM OTHER INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS MYSELF IT APPEARS THAT THE DEALERSHIPS ARE LESS THAN HELPFUL IN RESOLVING THIS DEFECT. GOOD BUSINESS IS GOOD BUSINESS -- AND... BAD BUSINESS IS BAD BUSINESS. PLEASE HELP!!!!! *TR

IN THE FALL OF 2007, AT APPROX. 75,000 MILES I BEGAN TO NOTICE A PERIODIC RHYTHMIC TAPPING FROM THE ENGINE OF MY 2003 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 2. MY MECHANIC SUGGESTED USING A THICKER GRADE OIL. THE NOISE QUIETED BRIEFLY THEN RETURNED MORE CONSISTENTLY, BEGINNING AS SOON AS THE VEHICLE WOULD WARM UP. IN DECEMBER, AFTER CONSULTING WITH LOCAL LAND ROVER DEALER SERVICE, MY MECHANIC REMOVED THE CYLINDER HEADS, "DE-COKED" THE VALVES, REPLACED GASKETS, BOLTS, LIFTERS, SPARK PLUGS, PLUG WIRES AND DRIVE BELT AT A COST OF $2340. THE NOISE CONTINUED. IN MAY OF 2008, AFTER MORE RESEARCH AND CONSULTING, MY MECHANIC DISASSEMBLED THE ENGINE , REPLACED LIFTERS, CHECKED THE CAMSHAFT, END FLOAT AND PUSH RODS, SUBSTITUTED THE ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLIES -- UNABLE TO FIND A CLEAR LINK, THE ENGINE WAS REASSEMBLED. THIS TIME THE BILL WAS $903.26. MY MECHANIC, WHO KNOWN FOR 10 YEARS AND TRUST COMPLETELY WAS BAFFLED. SENSING A UNDERLYING OIL PRESSURE ISSUE, HE ONCE AGAIN CONSULTED A LOCAL LAND ROVER DEALER SERVICE DEPARTMENT -- THEY THEN MENTIONED A PROBLEM LAND ROVER HAD BEEN HAVING WITH A BADLY MACHINED OIL PUMP HOUSING. WE RESEARCHED THE PROBLEM AND IN FACT FOUND (POSTED ON THE INTERNET BY ANOTHER 2003 DISCOVERY OWNER) AN INTERNAL TECHNICAL ALERT DETAILING A MANUFACTURING ERROR IN THE OIL PUMP HOUSING THAT MAY LEAD TO FAILURE. REPLACEMENT OF THE COMPLETE ENGINE WAS THE ONLY RECOMMENDED RESOLUTION. THE COST OF WHICH IS APPROX. $10,000. WORRIED THAT MY VEHICLE WOULD SHUT DOWN AT ANY MINUTE, I RETURNED TO THE DEALER WHERE I PURCHASED IT - THEY OFFERED ME $1,000 AS A TRADE IN FOR A NEW VEHICLE. AND THEN TOLD ME I SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING IT IN THAT CONDITION. MY VEHICLE IS NOW WORTHLESS DUE TO THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY A CRITICAL PART THAT WAS DISCOVERED TO BE FAULTY BY THE MANUFACTURER WHILE I WAS JUST 7 MONTHS INTO MY 5 YR./50,000 MILE WARRANTY. I BELIEVE THAT THE MANUFACTURER SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR REPAIRING THE DAMAGE. 8TR

OIL PUMP FAILURE RESULTING IN COMPLETE ENGINE REPLACEMENT....NOTICED CAR OIL LEAK COMING FROM CAR AND ABOUT 2 DAYS LATER CHECK ENGINE LIGHT & OIL PRESSURE LIGHT CAME ON, TOOK TO DEALERSHIP...DEALERSHIP DISCOVERED OIL PUMP FAILURE AND OF COURSE ONLY REMEDY IS A COMPLETE ENGINE REPLACEMENT. ADVISED DEALERSHIP ABOUT TECHNICAL ALERT ISSUED ON 3/14/03 IN REFERENCE TO MANUFACTURER DEFECT WHICH CAUSES THE OIL PUMP FAILURE AND ALL I WAS TOLD WAS "SORRY, WE CANNOT COVER THIS...YOUR WARRANTY HAS EXPIRED AND THE NEW ENGINE WILL COST $11,000.00....GAVE NO OFFER OF HELP, ADVISED THAT I COME GET CAR..I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO GET CAR FROM DEALERSHIP WITH A TOW TRUCK! *TR

LAND ROVER HAS ISSUED A "TECHNICAL ALERT" DATED MARCH 14, 2003 CODED TA03 1201 TO THE ATTENTION OF SERVICE MANAGERS, SERVICE ADVISORS, AND TECHNICIANS. THE ALERT STATES THAT "OIL PUMP FAILURES ON 2003 DISCOVERY SERIES II VEHICLES MAY BE THE RESULT OF A MANUFACTURING ERROR. LOCATING DOWEL PINS MAY BE SLIGHTLY MISALIGNED PERMITTING ASSEMBLY OF THE OIL PUMP TO THE ENGINE BLOCK, BUT PLACING STRESS ON THE PUMP HOUSING WHICH CAN ULTIMATELY LEAD TO LEAKAGE OR FAILURE." THEY GO ON TO SAY THIS COULD CAUSE COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE! THE RESOLUTION PROPOSED BY LAND ROVER IS "...THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REPAIR CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IS REPLACEMENT OF THE COMPLETE ENGINE ASSEMBLY..." IN SHORT THE ENGINE COULD SUDDENLY AND COMPLETELY FAIL. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY RECALL ISSUED RELATED TO THIS MATTER. I DO NOT WANT TO BE DRIVING ON THE HIGHWAY AND HAVE A COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE. WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS SITUATION? *TR

UPON SEEING THE LOW OIL PRESSURE LIGHT ILLUMINATE, I RESEARCHED ONLINE TO SEE WHAT MAY BE THE CAUSE. I THEN DISCOVERED THAT LAND ROVER HAD ISSUED A TECHNICAL ALERT (TA03-1201) ON MARCH 14, 2003 STATING THE FOLLOWING ISSUE AND RESOLUTION: 2003 DISCOVERY SERIES II OIL PUMP FAILURES VEHICLES AFFECTED DISCOVERY SERIES II (LT) 3A771801 ? 3A808362 SITUATION OIL PUMP FAILURES ON 2003 DISCOVERY SERIES II VEHICLES MAY BE THE RESULT OF A MANUFACTURING ERROR. LOCATING DOWEL PINS MAY BE SLIGHTLY MISALIGNED PERMITTING ASSEMBLY OF THE OIL PUMP TO THE ENGINE BLOCK, BUT PLACING STRESS ON THE PUMP HOUSING WHICH CAN ULTIMATELY LEAD TO LEAKAGE OR FAILURE. RESOLUTION WHENEVER AN OIL PUMP FAILURE IS ENCOUNTERED ON VEHICLES WITHIN THE ABOVE VIN RANGE THE ONLY EFFECTIVE REPAIR CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IS REPLACEMENT OF THE COMPLETE ENGINE ASSEMBLY INCLUDING THE FRONT COVER/OIL PUMP MANUFACTURED TO THE LATEST TOLERANCES. USE THE FOLLOWING COMPONENTS TO AFFECT A REPAIR: ? LBB112301 4.6 ENGINE ASSEMBLY LEV ? LBB111461 4.6 ENGINE ASSEMBLY NON-LEV I CHECKED MY VIN NUMBER AND FOUND IT TO BE WITHIN THE EFFECTED VEHICLES. I DELIVERED THE CAR TO THE DEALERSHIP LAND ROVER OF THE GULFCOAST, MOBILE, AL)WHERE I WAS INFORMED BY THE SERVICE MANAGER THAT MY VEHICLE OIL PUMP FAILURE WAS DUE TO THE EXACT REASON AS STATED IN THE TECHNICAL ALERT AND THAT I SHOULD CONTACT THE NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS OF LAND ROVER TO SEEK A RESOLUTION TO THIS MATTER. THE TECHNICAL ALERT STATES THAT THIS PROBLEM IS DUE TO A MANUFACTURER'S DESIGN FLAW AND ALSO GIVES THE REDESIGNED REQUIRED REPLACEMENT PARTS (WHICH IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ENTIRE ENGINE ASSEMBLY). LAND ROVER REFUSED TO MAKE GOOD IN THIS MATTER. I THEN CONTACTED THE DEALERSHIP AND THE SERVICE MANAGER THEN CONTACTED THE HEADQUARTERS ON MY BEHALF TO GET THE SAME REFUSAL. AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, THIS WAS DUE TO MANUFACTURER'S DEFECT AS PER THEIR ADMISSION IN THE TECHNICAL ALERT AND NOT NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. *TR

I HAD AN OIL PUMP FAILURE ON MY 03 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY. IT WAS UNDER WARRANTY, SO IT WAS TOWED TO THE DEALERSHIP. HOWEVER, EVEN BEFORE THEY GOT BACK TO ME WITH A DIAGNOSIS, I HAD RESEARCHED AND FOUND OUT WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, AS IT IS A COMMON ISSUE WITH THIS YEAR, AND WITHIN A CERTAIN VIN RANGE. LAND ROVER EVEN ISSUED A TSB ABOUT THE ISSUE, AND BY THE TIME THEY CALLED ME BACK, I HAD THAT TSB IN HAND. THE DEALERSHIP STATED THAT MY CAR WOULD BE READY TO PICK UP THE NEXT DAY, THAT THE OIL PUMP HAD, "BASICALLY EXPLODED" THAT THEY HAD CLEANED ALL THE METAL OUT OF THE ENGINE, AND THAT IT WOULD BE FINE. I PROTESTED THIS BASED ON THE TSB, PUBLISHED BY LAND ROVER, THAT STATED THAT THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE ENGINE! THE DEALERSHIP SAID THAT THIS TSB DID NOT APPLY ANYMORE. I ASKED FOR THE DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW THAT THE TSB HAD BEEN OVERRIDDEN. THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS NONE, BUT THAT THEY HAD FIXED IT IN THE, "NEW WAY". I CONTACTED THE LAND ROVER NORTH AMERICA CORPORATE HQ AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT THEY COULD DO, THAT THE DEALERSHIP COULD DECIDE WHAT IT WANTED TO DO WITH THE ISSUE. SINCE THEN, I HAVE GOT SEVERAL FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THIS SAME ISSUE AND WHO HAD A NEW ENGINE PUT INTO THEIR CAR WITHIN A MONTH. I ALSO HAVE FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAD THE ISSUE, DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE TSB, AND NEVER GOT A NEW ENGINE. LAND ROVER'S OWN DOCUMENTATIONS SAY THAT I NEED A NEW ENGINE IN MY CAR, INDEPENDENT MECHANICS SAY I NEED A NEW ENGINE, AND EVEN MECHANICS AT OTHER LAND ROVER DEALERS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I NEED A NEW ENGINE. I HAVE ALL THESE ON RECORD, WILLING TO VOUCH FOR MY SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT. *JB

I ENCOUNTERED A FAIRLY WELL DOCUMENTED PROBLEM WITH 2003 LAND ROVER DISCOVERIES. THERE WAS A MANUFACTURERS DEFECT IN THE OIL PUMP THAT ULTIMATELY CAUSES THE ENTIRE ENGINE TO FAIL. LAND ROVER HAS ISSUED A TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROBLEM YET IS NOT STANDING BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT WHEN THE DISCOVERIES BREAKDOWN. THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT IT WAS A FAULTY PART THAT CAUSED THE ENGINE FAILURE IN MY VEHICLE YET THEY ARE TRYING TO CHARGE ME TO PUT IN THE NEW ENGINE. *JB